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Mr. Las Vegas

Palermo wins Round 3, guns for a second consecutive PBR World Finals event title

LAS VEGAS (November 1, 2009) - Move over Wayne Newton. Robson Palermo just might be staking a claim to the name “Mr. Las Vegas.”

Palermo, a 26-year-old cowboy from Rio Branco, Acre, Brazil, won the third round of the Professional Bull Riders Built Ford Tough World Finals on Sunday with a 92.25-point ride on Black Pearl of Ravenscroft/Boyd & Floyd Bull Co.

It not only earned him $25,000 for the round win, but also kept him in position to make history – the first man to ever win the average at the PBR World Finals in consecutive years.

Last year, he covered 7 of his 8 bulls to win the event title and $320,000. This year, he has covered all three of his bulls so far.

“I love coming over here,” said Palermo, who grew up in the jungle region of Brazil and became interested in bull riding by watching it on television. “I told my wife, this is my town. Every time I come over here, I feel more strong. Last year I bucked off one bull and this year, I try to stay on all my bulls.”

Sunday’s round featured the top 3- and 4-year-old bulls from the ABBI. Because the young bulls have only a handful of trips on the Built Ford Tough Series this season, most of the riders had never had a chance to get on them before. Palermo, for example, had never been on Black Pearl and had wanted to select a different bull in the draft for Sunday’s round. He said stock contractor Chad Berger talked him into Black Pearl.

“I wanted to pick the bull that J.B. (Mauney) rode, Crossfire, but Chad Berger told me, pick this bull (Black Pearl) and you will get more score, so I picked him and I won the round,” Palermo said.

Palermo’s three-round total of 266.75 points puts him into second place in the event standings, behind Mauney, who scored 88 points on the bull Black Smoke to bring his three-round total to 269 points. Mauney’s original bull, Crossfire, bucked him off, but also stumbled during their ride and the Mooresville, N.C., cowboy was awarded a reride by the judges.

World standings leader Kody Lostroh of Longmont, Colo., finished second in the round, riding Copp Hou of Lightning C Cattle Company for 91 points. The ride not only earned Lostroh $18,000, but also stretched his lead over Mauney to 429.25 points in the race for the PBR world title.

Lostroh, who has ridden all three of his bulls and is fourth in the average behind Mauney, Palermo and Brazilian Valdiron de Oliveira, said he isn’t thinking about the title race.

“The race is for the judges to figure out,” he said. “My job is to ride my bulls.”

Lostroh, who has maintained his lead atop the world standings virtually all season despite battling elbow and shoulder problems, said he is feeling good.

“I feel pretty darned good,” Lostroh said. “God has really given me strength to get through the elbow deal and everything. Other than just stuff that has just hurt all year, nothing is new, so I’m just going along with it and having fun.”

Brazilian riders captured four of the top five spots in Sunday’s round.

Thiago Paguioto, who qualified for the World Finals by winning five PBR International events in Brazil, finished third with an 89.75-point ride on Bushwacker of Julio Moreno/Richard Oliveria Bucking Bulls, good for $12,000. Edimundo Gomes of Brazil was fourth with an 89.25-point ride on the bull Moon of Homestead Genetics, winning $10,000.

De Oliviera, of Aparecida de Goiania, Brazil, finished fifth in the round and took home $5,000 after marking 89.25 points on the bull Deja Blue of Teague Bucking Bulls.

In all, 17 riders made qualified rides on Sunday. The riders now have a three-day break before the World Finals resume on Thursday.

-By Guy Clifton
ESPN.com


54 Comments
  • Twiggy
    November 3, 2009
    Man, oh man, Joan, you hit the nail right on the head about the 2006 finals. Sunday, during the intermission, right before the short go I made my way out to the smokers lounge (I know, I know, it's bad for me) all the hairs on my arm were standing up, the blood was rushing thru my body with an excitement I can't explain. I knew Adriano had flown his chiroprator in to help with his back, but I didn't know how riding 2 bulls in one day would go for him. The only other day he rode 2 bulls in one day during the finals that year is the day he almost didn't make it out of the arena on his own. The chatter in the air out there was unbelievable. Some had written Adriano off, but something was telling me this would be special. I could barely contain myself. And I was just a spectator, I can only imagine what was running thru his & Guilherme's veins.

    I've been to more finals than I care to count, but that truly was the most exciting one for me. Hopefully, this year will come down to the last few rides in the short go as well. I truly enjoy the competition and everything that goes along with it.

    Twiggy
  • Joan Simpson
    November 3, 2009
    Twiggy, you are right. It did happen in 2006 and it was Edgard. I saw the whole incident. He was having trouble with his bull and he had to re-wrap. Cody was the back judge and warned him of having too much time in the chutes and he still was having trouble. He diqualified him. He did get his rope and he was rushing out and did elbow Cody. I never saw him again and he was an excellent rider. I felt bad for him but you just cannot do anything to the judges. What they say goes.
    2006 was one of the most exciting years for the finals. Justin Mckee used to run down Adriano telling him he should retire and even Ty said he should go out on top and maybe should retire. I have seen Adriano only get upset by what the announcers said but one time and he was talking to Leah and he was so upset over what they said. Mostly Justin Mckee. I emailed Justin and told him exactly what I though, you can imagine. After that he toned down a lot.
    Adriano came from behind Guilherme, I think, in 6th place.
    To make a long story short Adriano won his Third World Championship and Justin never ran him down again or Ty.
    I have every year on tape from 2005. This is the first year I have not kept every round.
    This year I have not noticed if Cody was there or not. I have seen a lot of the judges that have been in the PBR for a very long time.
  • Twiggy
    November 3, 2009
    Ok, here is some more on the story from the Edgard incident that happened back in May of 2006. Edgard was indeed suspended for 12 months from the PBR. If you saw the action take place, it wasn't all that blatant. He jerked his bull rope off of the bull after being DQ and was quickly trying to get away from the chutes, and happened to throw his elbow into the side of Cody Custer. Nothing like you would see in a UFC fight, but none the less, and elbow was indeed thrown.

    Edgard made the switch over to the PRCA when this all took place and ended up rookie of the year in their !@#ociation. He still occasionally comes back over to the states, but he now lives in Brazil.

    The whole ironic thing about it is, Edgard was the most quiet person you could imagine. People would try to write articles on him, they would go to Adriano and ask him about Edgard, and even Adriano would say, I don't know, the kid doesn't say much, but he sure can ride bulls. I remember when Evil Forces was in his hay day and Edgard drew him at an event, WOW, it was an exciting ride. Edgard had that "perfect" riding style that we've all been talking about. I sure miss watching him ride.

    Twiggy
  • Shannon K
    November 3, 2009
    Sounds like the incident occurred early in 2006 (www.pbrnow.com/release/?id=2793). That would have been just a few months before I started watching.
  • TWTX
    November 3, 2009
    Cody Custer is the one who started the PBRO Pro Bull Riders Outreach. It has since changed its name to Riding High Ministries and Todd Pierce is now heading that up. Cody does come to some of the services but he is not at all of them. We were able to hear him in Dallas in January. He has not been at any of the other three events we have been at. Todd Pierce was the other man on the stage with Kody when they showed the segment about the cowboy church Sunday. There is a website Ridinghighministries.org if anyone is interested in more information.
  • chadro
    November 3, 2009
    Joan,
    Cody, I don't think is very tall. He's not a dwarf either, but ya, he has black hair and wears gl!@#es.
  • chadro
    November 3, 2009
    Wow, I never heard about that, but I bet the guy was in deep you know what! Although, have seen many a guy threaten judges for controversial calls, but I don't you get in trouble for that, although you should.
  • Shannon K
    November 3, 2009
    chadro: Thanks for answering my questions!
  • Shannon K
    November 3, 2009
    Hmm...I don't remember anyone of that description at the two cowboy church services I've attended, but unless he actually stood up and spoke I may not have noticed him.

    A rider seriously elbowed a judge for disqualifying him? Wow, that's awful. That must have been before my time -- do you know when it was? Did the PBR ban the rider from any further competitions, or did he quit of his own accord?
  • webpbr
    November 3, 2009
    Cody Custer is not judging in the finals. On his facebook he says he has not judged in over 2 yrs. He is at the finals, in the stands. As a matter of fact, he said that someone complained to him, about the judging, while he was in the stands. One thing for sure, whether you are a judge, ref. or umpire, you better have thick skin.
  • chadro
    November 3, 2009
    Jim Bob is Cody's brother. I'm not sure Chuck Lambert is related to Cody Lambert, but I wouldn't doubt if they were related. As for how many of they judges were once riders themselves? I would say that all of them were once riders and notable ones at that. That is, for the PBR judges. I think in the PRCA you will see judges sometimes that never rode bulls. But that is not for sure.
  • Joan Simpson
    November 3, 2009
    I am pretty sure. chadro would know, is Cody tall and thin and wears gl!@#es. He does Sunday services with Wiley in the arena.
    He is the judge that one year a Brazilian elbowed because he diqualified him because he took too long in the chute. That Brazilian went back to Brazil and never rode again. I think anyway.
  • Shannon K
    November 3, 2009
    Oh, is Cody Custer a judge as well? I know someone named Jim Bob Custer is one of the judges at the finals this year and had wondered whether he and Cody Custer were related. I'm also curious whether Chuck Lambert is related to Cody Lambert and wonder how many others of the judges were once riders themselves.
  • chadro
    November 3, 2009
    Ya, I guess might be. I hadn't seen or paid attention, but I know he used to judge.
  • Joan Simpson
    November 3, 2009
    Cody Custer is one of the judges.
  • chadro
    November 3, 2009
    Joan.
    Thank you. It did make a big impression on me. I tell you another guy who had the same affect, was Cody Custer. It wasn't just because they were men of god, in fact that had nothing to do with it. I used to ride bulls and every time I saw Cody at a bull ridin, he treated me the same as he did everyone else and there was some great bull riders around. I always thought that if you didn't know already that he was a World Champ, you'd never know and he'd never tell you. I respected both of those men for that. Every man should try to be like that, bull rider or not.
  • Joan Simpson
    November 3, 2009
    We do call our ranches farms. I do know there is a difference and where we live it is so green and we have a lot of trees and green gr!@#. Of course part of Texas is really green and has trees also. I haven't been there in a long time and when I was in Texas, or out West, it was Dallas and Big Spring, Texas. I loved Dallas.
    Anyway chadro that was the nicest compliment I have heard you say about Adriano. He is the greatest!
    When you are young, he could certainly make a big impression but also when we are adults he does the same.
    It was a priviledge to see him as much as I could and now when I go to the events there is such a giant hole that as yet has not been filled with any greater bull rider and fan favorite.
    flasOblue, I forgot to put my name in the last blog that shows j
  • chadro
    November 3, 2009
    FlashOblue
    I did read that about where you lived. And I agree those are great places. I just figured NC probably has more of what people would consider farms where I come from. Nothin wrong with that either. No offense, I shouldn't of said nothin, but I don't want to get into a debate on what makes a place "ranch."
    Anyways.....
    I totally agree about Adriano. They broke the mold when they made him. I met him when I was 15 years old at the Prorodeo in Flagstaff. It was the same year he rode all 10 at the National Finals. That guy is undoubtedly one of the greatest bull riders to ever live. He brought the sport up a notch or two AND he is a super nice person. He goes out of his way to be kind and considerate. Great guy.
  • j
    November 3, 2009
    flash, Flavia, has gotten in touch with me and I was just thrilled. I helped her set up some things on his new website.
    I don't think I have met any bull rider to compare to Adriano.
    I sure hope we see more of him before the finals are over.
  • FlashOBlue
    November 3, 2009
    chadro said "I hadn't been to NC, but i'm sure its great, but imagine our ideas of "ranches" might differ."

    Didn't you also read that while we lived in Wyoming and CA that we helped ranchers brand? It's no different here!

    And, I forgot to mention that my husband grew up on horseback and worked his way through college and grad school as a ranch hand in Idaho and Iowa.

    And, I have to agree with Joan. Adriano is and always will be my favorite bull rider! He's everything she said he is and more!

    Adriano once predicted that Travis B. and Cord McC would ride better and win world titles once they settled into a serious relationship. Now that Cord is engaged--we'll see! LOL
  • Shannon K
    November 3, 2009
    FlashOBlue: Thanks for the response! I can understand your finding it difficult to like someone because you're tired of hearing about them -- I've had the same thing happen to me with a couple individuals in other sports. Can't say I agree entirely with your !@#essment of JB, but I'm happy to agree to disagree and, as you say, "be friends" :)

    Joan Simpson: You're so right that the word "love" gets applied to many things that aren't really love! I'll say the same thing about "hate." There are at least a couple commenters around here that apply the term "hater" to anyone who expresses their dislike for one of the riders. It really bothers me when they do that, even though they're not directing it at me, because "hate" is an extremely ugly word. I've read some comments on here that I completely disagree with and some that have been very unkind, but I can only think of one or two that even came close to being literally "hateful." There, now I'm off my soapbox!
  • Joan Simpson
    November 3, 2009
    I am a little saddened this year by not having Adriano around and to talk to at the events. He was my favorite bull rider. Absolutely the nicest bull rider I have ever met.
    The Brazilians are so happy to be here in the USA and they are so appreciative for having the chance to ride in the PBR and make more money to help their families out back in Brazil. They love this country.
    Of course you all know I live in NC and I have had the priviledge to meet Jerome Davis and have been able to be at his ranch and meet a lot of PBR riders there. JW is always there for his challenger event every year.
    I don't know about a show........I have only not cared for one rider but I had to admit he was a great bull rider.
    I don't think flashOblue loves JB anymore than any of the other fans do and talk about their favorites. The word love is not something you use for everything you like. We like a lot of things but love is a word that is special and for only a few things.
  • chadro
    November 3, 2009
    you said it webpbr!! I agree.
  • chadro
    November 3, 2009
    FlashOblue, that might be the longest post I've ever seen! of course we can all be friends, but I like to give people a hard time once in a while.
    With that said.... you want JB to marry your daughter!!
    I hadn't been to NC, but i'm sure its great, but imagine our ideas of "ranches" might differ.
    For the bull riders. I agree. For whatever reason, NC, does have some really great ones and they started with Jerome. He went to the same small college as me in Texas, although I went there several years after he did, he was a legend! Brian Canter is one of my favorites too. That guy has a great style and cool attitude.
  • FlashOBlue
    November 3, 2009
    I need to hear more stories like yours, webpbr, about Kody. I've been to several PBR events and never once ran into Kody except last year in Vegas. I got his autograph and a picture. He seemed shy. I don't know anything bout him. He must be a very private person.
  • webpbr
    November 3, 2009
    FlashOBlue - Well written. Being a male, almost 48, it may seem strange for me to be combative for Kody. My wife dragged me into the PBR this year, and I am now glad she did. I have met most of the riders and since I am not shy, I have gotten to know many of them. I respect them all for what they do, and I like some and don't like others, but we all do that in life. In Kody's case, I have gotten to know him more and every time I sit down and talk with him I respect him more. Something happened in Springfield (it is of a personal nature, that I don't want to get into on here) and Kody did something that I can not begin to tell you meant alot to myself and my wife. I like his riding style, I like the fact of how he has handled the pressure, I like how he has fought through the injuries, I like his political views, I like the fact he is a christian and not afraid to talk about and share his beliefs, but more important I respect the fact that he knows there are more important things in life, than what he does for a living.
  • FlashOBlue
    November 3, 2009
    Sorry everybody. To tell you the truth my mother used to tell me I was acting like a spoiled 12 year-old when I was a teenager and now (knowing that) my husband tells me the same thing! So, it's really just a phrase to let out steam. I'd really rather banter with you in person!
    What I was trying to say is that the media and the judges made me dislike Mike Lee and Justin McB. At that time Adriano was my favorite and it "seemed" he was usually scored lower than the other two when he was riding well. Then Guilherme came along and believe me, he wouldn't have won last year without his HIGH riding percentage. He was constantly scored below the bull. If you remember there was so much "hatred" for the Brazilians and it seemed that the PBR and many of it's fans only wanted an "American" to win a title.
    So, chadro you guessed right--I am from North Carolina, but I spent many years in Wyoming and way northern California (near Oregon). My husband and I lived on deeded land on the Shoshone Reservation and helped local ranchers brand their calves. I was amazed at the little kids, some just three, herding the stray calves in on horseback and without saddles! I grew to love that Western way of life and have written a book about the Oregon Trail and Frontier America.
    In case you've never been to NC--we have ranches and horses and livestock here, too. And we have Jerome Davis and his ranch and riding school and people here wear wranglers, wear cowboy boots, and drive big trucks with gun racks! Come on over and I'll show you around!
    OK, after the Mike Lee show was over and after the Justin McB Show was over I found out what really great guys they are! But, the PBR and their fans made me dislike them. I became a fan because of Adriano because I saw a beautiful, friendly, accepting spirit there. Same with Guilherme and Robson and Paulo and Renanto. I have a picture taken with all of them!
    There are other riders from east of the Mississippi: Brian Canter, Billy Robinson, Sean Willingham, and newcomer Shane Proctor. They're all just fine. Why is JB my favorite? He's not. Guilherme is and I would love for him to win back-to-back titles.
    The cowboys I was around in Wyoming and California were rough and rugged and hard working. JB just reminds me of them. I like the fact that he's c o c k y. His temper tantrums are full of adrenalin and he's upset with himself. I like the way he's growing up and it's not without growing pains. I like his determanation and every time I've met him he's smiled and been polite. His rag-doll style of riding has improved over the years because he's trying to improve.
    Even though I've lived all over the USA and the world for that matter, it's kinda nice to know that a PBR superstar lives an hour or so down the road. Brian and Shane do, too, but JB is the one I'd want my daughter to marry!
    All that aside, I've written to the PBR to ask them to leave JB alone! That the PBR is making fans dislike him. I dont't like what's happening with JB right now, because I know it's not him that people don't like--it's the PBR's treatment of him. JB doesn't need "gifts." He's a good enough rider to win on his own. So was Mike Lee and so was Justin McBride.
    Maybe ond day I'll like Kody better. When he and JB shook hands my heart melted. If Kody wins this year's title, I hope I'll shed a tear of joy for him, because he is a good, beautiful rider.
    As for me--I'm a 65 year-old, retired nurse. I worked for 45 years nursing sick, abused, and injured babies and children. I'm also a belly dancer and writer. Adriano nick-named me his "Hoochie-koochie fan!" And now you know I'm old enough to be his grandmother.
    While every rider isn't a "favorite" I would NEVER wish any one of them a broken leg or a buck off!
    So, can we all be friends? I'm sorry to offend any of you. My fingers are still crossed for Guilherme to pull off a miracle! But, believe me, I WILL applaude the winner! They are all winners and so are all of you!
  • chadro
    November 3, 2009
    FlashOblue,
    You must be from back east? That'd be the only reason I can think of that you would love JB so much or you are female. You had to sit through those four long years of Justin and Mike, cause they were spankin everyone's butt's! I didn't see JB's ride, but unless he stopped or fowled the rider, there is no reride. They can do some funky stuff and unless they do one of those its no
    reride. You say JB is a media darling, but is he?? Sounds to me like the media is doing him no favors, cause from what I read, no one can stand him. Not talking about me either, cause I don't know him whatsoever. Either way, I hope Kody spanks him and everyone else. Kody is a cowboy. JB just wears a hat and rides bulls really well.
  • webpbr
    November 2, 2009
    FlashOBlue - Shannon K age 12? What did she say? TWTX age 12? What did she say?

    Me age 12? What exactly did I say, that is a "spoiled" 12 year old. I even said that JB should have gotten the reride. I guess I get no credit for that.

    By the way, you said that you stopped being a Kody fan after the lion hunt video (from another comment on a previous article, which I won't take the time to explain to others, but it was a joke Kody had on the breeders connection, he was not condoning the hunt) but that took place late last year and earlier this year. However, during the summer you said you were a Kody fan, but you stopped being a Kody fan because he "refused" to go to the World Cup and he was "saving" himself for the finals and the almighty dollar. Which is it, or do you need time to come up with something else?Seems you were never really a Kody fan, otherwise you would know about the video and his intent and you would trust him when he says that he is hurt and decides he can't compete in the World Cup. Sounds like just an excuse to bad mouth a rider (I must be wrong, JB fans never bad mouth other riders).
  • payt123
    November 2, 2009
    Just a few points to mnake; I remember when it WAS McBride the judges were focused on, and at the time I thought everyone was just complaining, but now I see the truth--there IS a fix on in the PBR, at least as far as the judges are concerned. I'd like to see or at least hear from the judges, the specific criteria it takes to merit a reride. It's not that I dislike Maune, on the contrary, I think he is a great rider and he's probably a nice guy, and might even be a ton of fun to drink beer with, BUT, the judging thus far in the finals, and throughout the season has made me cheer against him, mainly because if you cheer for everyone else you have to cheer against him in addition to the judges, which is just a daunting prospect. As for Ty Murray stating in a blog this summer that they have never compromised the integrity of the sport, I wonder if he's actually seriouse when he says that, or maybe he's just trying to save face in front of the public. Ultimately it boils down to this; I wonder just exactly what JB Mauney caught the judges doing that they don't want anyone to know about. I've never seen a more blatant favortism in another sport, unless it IS professional wrestling. I used to tell people that the PBR was like MY super bowl, well I'm starting to think I'd rather watch the super bowl, maybe then I wouldn't feel cheated!!!! Hope Kody kicks the crap out of everyone else even if he is riding against the other bullriders and the judges.
  • payt123
    November 2, 2009
    Just a few points to mnake; I remember when it WAS McBride the judges were focused on, and at the time I thought everyone was just complaining, but now I see the truth--there IS a fix on in the PBR, at least as far as the judges are concerned. I'd like to see or at least hear from the judges, the specific criteria it takes to merit a reride. It's not that I dislike Maune, on the contrary, I think he is a great rider and he's probably a nice guy, and might even be a ton of fun to drink beer with, BUT, the judging thus far in the finals, and throughout the season has made me cheer against him, mainly because if you cheer for everyone else you have to cheer against him in addition to the judges, which is just a daunting prospect. As for Ty Murray stating in a blog this summer that they have never compromised the integrity of the sport, I wonder if he's actually seriouse when he says that, or maybe he's just trying to save face in front of the public. Ultimately it boils down to this; I wonder just exactly what JB Mauney caught the judges doing that they don't want anyone to know about. I've never seen a more blatant favortism in another sport, unless it IS professional wrestling. I used to tell people that the PBR was like MY super bowl, well I'm starting to think I'd rather watch the super bowl, maybe then I wouldn't feel cheated!!!! Hope Kody kicks the crap out of everyone else even if he is riding against the other bullriders and the judges.
  • Shannon K
    November 2, 2009
    FlashOBlue: I'm 25, so just *slightly* older than 12 :). How old are you? And would you mind explaining just what I said that you disagree with so strongly and think so juvenile?

    I'm sorry to hear you dislike Mike Lee so much. Everything I see of that man makes me respect him more, and I can't imagine why you would actively dislike him.
  • FlashOBlue
    November 2, 2009
    How old are you guys? (Except Joan) You sound like spoiled little 12 year-olds! JB's bull (Crosswired sat down on his botton, twice. If that's not a reride than what is? As I said before--every year the PBR chooses a media darling--so sorry they didn't choose your favorite this year! I've had to sit through 4 years of Justin McBride and Mike Lee! JB is my favorite and he will win the 2009 title. Sorry!
  • webpbr
    November 2, 2009
    Shannon - You are correct that either Kody or JB could win the finals but not win the title. There are so many scenarios that it makes my head hurt. I think that at this point Marchi is out of winning the title. It is statistically possible, but not realistic. Both Kody and JB would have do bad (since both already have 3 rides and Marchi 0) this next go around, and I don't think the chances of both doing bad are going to happen. I feel bad for Marchi, I know he wanted to win badly, but it just hasn't worked out for him.
  • wojo62
    November 2, 2009
    I was glad that Robson Palermo won the round but I was upset that Marchi didn't stay on. I was also disgusted with the fact that JB got a re-ride that I didn't think he deserved. Way too much favoritism going on. Chris Shivers bucked off for the same reason did he get a re-ride - NO.
  • Shannon K
    November 2, 2009
    Correction: Actually, it is statistically possible for Kody to win the finals title yet get p!@#ed by JB for the world title. For example, if Kody rode all 8 bulls for 85 points each but didn't get any bonus points for individual rounds, he'd earn 2500 + (8*85) = 3180 points at the finals; if JB rode 7 bulls for 92 points each, winning all 7 rounds and finishing second in the finals aggregate, he'd earn 2250 + (7*92) + (7*400) points = 5694 points at the finals, enough to p!@# Kody and win the world title. I hope that's the correct math. But that seems pretty unlikely, especially given the results of the first three rounds.
  • Shannon K
    November 2, 2009
    2tscowgirl: You seem to me to be setting up a false dichotomy -- either one is, like you, convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that the PBR is actively cheating to promote a Mauney world title or is, on the other hand, so consumed by their partisanship that they don't care whether the scoring is fair as long as JB, their favorite rider, wins. I for one don't believe I belong to either category. I won't waste words arguing that the fix isn't on regarding JB, as some other commenters have already made good arguments to that effect, and I don't believe you'll listen to my reasoning regardless. JB is not even close to being my favorite rider, so you cannot possibly accuse me of willfully blind partisanship. You can believe me "absolutely blind" if you please -- I don't believe myself to be so, but *arguing* against an accusation of cluelessness is by definition hard to do :).

    And may I point out that it's statistically impossible for Kody to win the finals title and not the world title?
  • 2tscowgirl
    November 2, 2009
    I would just like to add that I have been a judge at various events (not bullriding) so I know a little bit about what goes on. Sometimes you are told to give a certain participate "due consideration". Believe you me, judges know exactly what that means. So don't tell me that there can't be a "fix" going on. I know the round went to Robson and he deserved it. But, over all, JB will come out the champ because the judges will, ultimately, give him the crown. After all, he is still in the lead even though Kody has increased the points. If Kody wins Vegas, and I'm sure he will, then he'll get that crown.
  • 2tscowgirl
    November 2, 2009
    Yes, JB openly complained about the judges. He said he couldn't help it if that "floppy" horn hit his hand. He was throwing things all over the place. He was clearly upset that a "call" had finally gone against him. Joan is a nut about JB so she can't see the forst for the trees. She has called us cry babies and lots of names for not agreeing with her about JB. It's ok. I don't give a flying fig what she thinks, or anyone else as far as that goes. This year JB Mauney has beern rammmed down our throats to the point I want to gag and throw up. Yes, JW thought Kody should have been given a re-ride. I just don't understand how people can actually defend what is going on with the PBR and the judges. Are they absolutely blind, or do they just not care as long as "their rider" wins? That really makes a sad situation for all bullriding fans. To know a sport like bullriding can be so controlled. I never thought, given the fact that a bull is involved, that I would ever see something like this happening. Sure takes the enjoyment out of it. And, no, Joan, I don't intend to quit watching. I intend to keep "complaining" to the PBR in the hopes that future bullriding fans won't be subjected to this kind of in justice!!!!!!!
  • Joan Simpson
    November 2, 2009
    Just you JB fans? You are mistaken. Personally I am not against Kody. He is a great bull rider but also is JB, Guilherme, Robson, Valdiron, Zack, Ryan Mc and many more. They all have their style of riding.
    It is good to have your favorite rider. That makes the sport much more fun but to run down a certain rider that is your riders competitor does not give you consistantly the right try to pick him apart.
    Anyway nothing matters what anyone says, it is going to work out one way or the other.
    There will be a Champion after 8 rounds and whoever it is he will deserve it for his grit and determination. Whomever it is I will sure cheer him on.
  • webpbr
    November 2, 2009
    Not talking about riders comments to other riders or anyone else. What I am talking about is "some" complain about others "complaining", such as saying that Kody deserved a reride in the first round. Instead of addressing the question or "complaint", "some" just call you a "complainer" and say, "let's just move on". If a rider can openly "complain" on national tv, and there is not a problem with that, then why is there a problem when some "complain" about the no reride call?

    By the way, Keith defended the "no reride", but then interviewed JW and had an audio interview on PBR TV. JW thought there should have been a reride (Justin McKee, during the telecast, also said that Kody should have gotten a reride). JW's reasoning was pretty much what myself and TWTX said on these comments. However, we were asked, by some of you JB fans, to stop "complaining".
  • Joan Simpson
    November 2, 2009

    Your wrong none of the bull riders have ever acted and said any of the ugly comments that have been made in these blogs. Very unnecessary remarks about our bull riders.
  • webpbr
    November 2, 2009
    I have seen some riders pretty upset about what the judges decision was and they voiced it on national tv. Case in point, when JB said that he did not slap the bull, but the bull hit him (the "floppy horn" incident). That was one of only a few times, this year, that a rider openly questioned the judges. He also complained to other riders when the cameras were on him, complained to Leah and complained to JW later when they put him on headphones. It was one of only a few times when the call went against JB and he did not take it very well. If JB can "complain" on national tv, then I guess some fans can complain on here, which is the only place they can be heard. Although it may or may not be true that riders do not read these comments, obviously the writers of the articles and the PBR do.
  • Joan Simpson
    November 2, 2009
    Twiggy, you are so right. What a job it would be to be a judge. I really do not think anybody needs to hear the negative, especailly coming from people that really only are going by what they see and not what we don't see. They, the judges, see much more and know much more than we as a fan will ever know about the sport. That is why you do not see a bull rider question them other than hitting the replay button. I have never seen another bull rider question someone elses ride or their score.
  • Twiggy
    November 2, 2009
    Well Joan, your right about most of the riders not having time to or even care about what we all write about on these comments. We have a handful of very close friends that are riders on tour and I've talked with them a few times about what people have said in here. I've tried to only tell them about the positive stuff as I know it wouldn't do me any good to hear the negative stuff if I was in their shoes. They had no idea that fans could even respond to articles that were written. Shoot, some of us hardcore fans know more about where the riders will be signing and what all they are doing than even they know themselves.

    There is always going to be a media darling in any sport you follow. It only helps the sport. Get their face out there as much as possible to gain new fans & most importantly, new sponsors. Some of the fans might get tired of it, but it's usually for the good of the sport.

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I'm sure the judges do the very best job they can. I'm pretty sure the riders vote for the judges they want at the finals. They talk about it all the time on TV how certain riders "dress up" a ride, well I can only say if I was a judge (ya'll can thank god I'm not....lol) the dressing up factor would weigh heavy on my scorecard.

    Twiggy
  • Joan Simpson
    November 2, 2009
    All you say about JB does not make any difference to how he rides, picks his bull, if he gets a reride or not or even what the judges think or his scores and then what Keith writes in his articles. The announcers are going to do what they want to do, interview him or any other rider who wants to be interviewed.
    You can say anything you want, it really does not make a difference in what the outcome will be in the 2009 World Championship.
    Really all it does is let you vent on whomever you want and read what you say.
    I guarantee JB or any other bull rider does not read or even has the time to look up what the fans are saying about them on a blog. They are in Las Vegas having as good a time as they can and doing what they do best riding their bulls and trying to make as much money as they can.
  • webpbr
    November 2, 2009
    As I stated before, I think JB should have gotten the reride. However, the problem is JB has gotten some "big" calls his way, and some he did not deserve. The JB fans don't admit when he gets a break, that he did not deserve and defend the bad call (San Antonio). When he acts up, and people call him out on it, the JB fans defend his bad actions. When he gets a score, that most believe was over scored (Reno), you defend the score. When he is favored by the media, tv and print (he has been on PBRNow/RFD TV 3 times, nobody else more than once, just one example of many), JB fans defend the fact that he is obviously favored by media. Maybe if the JB fans would admit that this year he has gotten more breaks than any other rider, by far, then your comments would be more believable and carry more weight, in defense of him. As of right now IMO, most, not all, of the JB fans have no credibility when you make comments.
  • FlashOBlue
    November 2, 2009
    I just wanted to add that if the judges wanted JB to win, they would have awarded him a 92.5 score or at least a 91.25 to beat Kody.... JB actually lost ground in round three. And Kody increased his lead.
  • FlashOBlue
    November 2, 2009
    Congratulations Robson! What a race. Don't worry, 2tscowgirl, so many of us thought that Mike Lee was getting special treatment and high scores, then for a couple years it was "The Justin McBride Show." Poor Guilherme hasn't gotten near the press he deserved all year long as the reighning World Champ! WE all forget how mant "gifts" are given in scoring and how many of the re-rides and scores seem unfair. Please remember it's not JB. JB doesn't want any special treatment. Neither did Mike or Justin. They all take what the judges dish out, so don't be angry at JB. Express your opinions directly to the PBR. I certainly did for the past several years. But now, it's one of my favorites in the spot light! And I hope you will respect the cowboys and turn your anger t the judges! Also remember that this is a subjective sport and even when we don't like the calls--the judges are always right!

    Didn't mean to steal Robson's thunder! Way to go! Maybe we'll see the first back-to-back World Event Title!!!!!!!
  • 2tscowgirl
    November 2, 2009
    Go, Robson!! I hope you win, and win it honestly. We all know, if Mauney wins, it will be because the PBR and the judges, gave it to him. You fight for what you want!! Remember, cheaters never win, and JB should never have been given a re-ride option when the same thing happened to Chris Shivers and the judges did nothing. I told my husband when that happened, now, if that were JB, the judges would throw a red flag before you could breathe. I love it when I'm so right. Someone said they should just give JB the money, the buckle, the title, and get it over with. There has never been a close race this year. JB rides bulls ok, but he is not that great. The judges are trying to make him great, but we fans are getting upset. Thank God, I've discovered that I'm not the only bullriding fan who feels this way. I've been called names and even told I do not like bullriding because of my anger over what is happening this year. However, other people are beginning to notice what I've seen all year. The "fix" is on - just like pro wrestling. Anyway, Go Robson!!!
  • ojbramey
    November 1, 2009
    Have met Palermo several times. Can't find a nicer young man. Congratulations to him.
  • Shannon K
    November 1, 2009
    webpbr: Haha, that's okay. I'm only a transplanted Seattleite (seriously, that's what we're called) and am much more a fan of my hometown Cornhuskers than the Seahawks. So I'll only get mad if we get to the conference championship game, the Longhorns whoop us, and you gloat about it :).

    I agree that Mauney deserved a reride...though I wish Shivers would have received one as well. And I agree, TWTX, that Mauney's almost-wreck on Crosswired was scary. I was holding my breath and praying he hadn't been stepped on! It was also good to see Kasey Hayes pop up so quickly after getting knocked out. Really, there haven't been very many wrecks at the finals so far. I mean no offense to Tandy Freeman when I say that the less we see of him, the better!
  • webpbr
    November 1, 2009
    Let's review what happened this weekend.

    Friday - Local HS football team wins and guarantees playoff spot with one game left. Dallas Mavericks win (beat the Lakers, always sweet). Kody Lostroh rides his bull (should have gotten reride, but that is another story)

    Saturday - Texas Longhorns win and continue their march for a National Championship. Dallas Mavericks win (beat Clippers, a sweep in LA). Kody Lostroh rides his bull, AGAIN, and still is No. 1.

    Sunday - Dallas Cowboys whoop Seatle Seahawks (sorry Shannon K) and are tied for first in their division. Kody Lostroh rides his bull, AGAIN, and increases lead.

    GREAT WEEKEND!!!!!!!

    Trying to stay consistent: I still don't want JB to win, (if not Kody, then Marchi)but I think he deserved the reride. We will be there Thus. thru Sunday. It should be great.
  • TWTX
    November 1, 2009
    Congrats to Robson on a great ride! Black Pearl is a really exciting bull to watch!

    And so excited to see Kody get a great bull and earn a great score and increase his lead!!! This is definitely going to be an exciting Finals. I was jumping up and down after Kody's ride!!!

    Kody - get some rest, have fun bowling and I can't wait to watch you in person next week and hopefully see you win the gold buckle!!!

    So glad JB did not get hurt in that re-ride. I really thought the bull stepped on him at first, but replay showed he just missed him. Hope Ednei is okay and I feel bad that Zack's injuries are affecting his riding.

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